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One of our games, Avadon: The Black Fortress, came out on Android recently. (It's also on the Amazon App Store.) The experience was very tiring and time-consuming, and it will great outside support (such as the Humble Bundle wanting to help with the port, as they did with Avadon) for us to go through it again. If you are a small development house without a hit big enough to get the attention of the big boys at Google and Amazon, it's really hard to summon up the resources to deal with the things that make Android so tough to develop for.

And what are those "things"? If people are interested in a developer's view of the Android situation, the Penny Arcade Report had a really good article on why one dev is avoiding the platform. It's only describes the beginning of the problems, but it's a very good start.

(If anything, the article sells short how many devices there are out there, each with their own weird quirks and bugs, and how much extra testing and debugging time you have to spend dealing with the mess. It's even harder when you write games for tablets, like we do.)

The comments on the post are very worth reading, as they provide a classic example of how evangelists for a platform can be capable of erecting a Reality-Dispersal-Field, through which not even the hardest facts can penetrate.

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  1. Why is developing for PC, arguably a much more fragmented market, so acceptable compared to developing for Android?

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    1. I was thinking exactly this when reading about how "many" different kinds of devices are running Android. Ha! Compare that to the infinite combination of hardware and software in the PC world. And yet, it is done, and frequently.

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    2. "Compare that to the infinite combination of hardware and software in the PC world. And yet, it is done, and frequently."

      Yes. Done by people who actually work with these things for a living, every day, who are speaking from actual experience with difficulties they have had.

      For what little that is apparently worth.

      - Jeff Vogel

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    3. I make games for both PC and Android, if we need to state our credentials to be taken seriously.

      Regardless, what I said stands. There are FAR more combinations of hardware and software to deal with in the PC world than in Android.

      I'm not saying developing for Android is super easy or anything, and I am only coming from a position of having made something specifically for Android.

      Porting a game to Android sounds like a LOT more work.

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    4. "Yes. Done by people who actually work with these things for a living, every day, who are speaking from actual experience with difficulties they have had."

      Sure, they may do it for a living, but they may also lack experience in building software that scales properly. The way most mobile developers complain about fragmentation, it makes me wonder if they have EVER had to write a program to run on varying hardware. They're so used to seeing it work ONCE on iOS and calling that "done". Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, adding code to handle varying configurations/hardware is a normal part of the development cycle.

      I've never released an app on Android, so I'm not here to defend it. Heck, even I find it somewhat difficult to develop on it. I just don't buy the argument "oh there's so many devices" as the ONLY problem.

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  2. "Why is developing for PC, arguably a much more fragmented market, so acceptable compared to developing for Android?"

    I don't see how the PC market is "fragmented" in any sense the word is ever used. But I would point out ...

    1. It is possible to handle all of your PC sales through one store. You can release your game on Steam and call it done. This is HUGE.
    2. There's lots of tech support weirdness on the PC, but it tends to be due to individual issues. (Someone has a weird graphics card or outdated drivers.) I have never had problems on the PC where my games don't work on all Dells, or don't work on all Gateways. This is the sort of situation we've run into with Android.

    - Jeff Vogel

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    1. How is the Android market any more fragmented than the PC one? You can handle all your Android sales through one store. You can release your game on the Market (er, sorry, Google Play) and call it done.

      Would you say it is more important on Android to get your game on multiple app stores than on PC? I'm honestly curious, as I just released my own first Android game.

      The whole Android vs. iPhone thing sounds exactly like Windows vs. Mac to me. Freedom/pain-in-the-butt vs. Little to no freedom/far more simple.

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    2. "You can release your game on the Market (er, sorry, Google Play) and call it done."

      No! You cannot do this! For starters, your game won't be easily buyable on Kindle Fire, which is a huge market. Use of Google Play is nowhere near as ubiquitous as you seem to think it is, and selling your games only there is a very bad idea.

      "Would you say it is more important on Android to get your game on multiple app stores than on PC? "

      I'm the wrong person to ask this question. My guess is yes.

      "The whole Android vs. iPhone thing sounds exactly like Windows vs. Mac to me."

      Sorry, lost interest here. I don't care about evangelism arguments about what platform has more magic and Jesus in it. When looking at a platform, the only thing I care about is how easily I can sell games on it and how much money I can make from those games to, you know, feed my family. PC is awesome for us. Android is the opposite of Batman.

      - Jeff Vogel

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    3. Well, you may have lost interest, but that is basically what the article you linked was about.

      How easily you can sell software on a platform is very strongly linked to how easy is is to develop for and support, and I was agreeing with the article that it's probably a lot easier to develop for Apple's stuff, due to the closed nature of everything. As a developer, that's great. As a customer who just wants to buy some stuff and have it work (i.e., most everyone), that's great.

      Personally, speaking as a developer and a customer, I prefer more control over what I can do. But, that adds tons of complexity to the whole thing. Using that complexity (a natural by-product of freedom/openness) as a reason to just write off whole platforms seems short-sighted.

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    4. Darn it, I forgot to ask:

      Do you have any numbers for the various app stores for Android? I've just got my game on Play at the moment, and I would love to know if it is worth the (I'm guessing tiny) effort to stick it elsewhere.

      I know there is the Amazon App Store. Is this what Kindle Fire uses?

      I also know of a Nook Store which I've been looking into.

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    5. "Do you have any numbers for the various app stores for Android?"

      Still a little early to say, as it's taking forever to get our games onto the different platforms. (Yes, this is a good part of my frustration with the platform.)

      Google Play has done pretty poorly for us. Amazon App Store has generated a decent amount of sales in the first 10 days, more than Google Play. (Yes, this is why I strongly advise not sticking with Google Play.)

      Total Android sales are still a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of what we've done on the iPad. Whatever the many good points of Android for users, it's not been good for us as developers.

      - Jeff Vogel

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    6. Thanks for the info, I had indeed been assuming Google Play was all that, haha. I was already planning on checking into other app stores, but now I really want to! Increased sales sounds nice :-P

      Do you think you would feel the same way were you developing a game specifically for Android, as opposed to porting already-made games?

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    7. I suspect the reason your Play sales are a tiny fraction of your iPad sales has more to do with Android tablets being a tiny fraction of the tablet market than anything else.

      And no, Amazon hasn't helped by developing their own variant on legacy Android.

      Curious though Jeff, how many of the Android code issues you guys faced were due to assumptions about screen sizes/bugs brought out by differing hardware and how many were due to actual device bugs/vendor's tweaked OS variant bugs?

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    8. To Kevin - Actually it has been shown before that while people love Google for free stuff, they have a VERY low trust factor with actual money. That is why Google Music is slated to have *sales* of ~$100 million for all of 2012, which is about what Amazon does an hour and less than what iTunes made while I typed this.

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  3. I'm an Android developer and I completely agree with the article, but only so far as it relates to games. There is a world of difference between developing standard applications (using the standard Android component architecture) and games (using native libraries, OpenGL, etc). There are still occasional compatibility problems between devices, but it's not bang-your-head-on-the-wall bad.

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    1. "I'm an Android developer and I completely agree with the article, but only so far as it relates to games."

      I freely confess that my focus here is exclusively on games. But thanks for a guarded vote of confidence. :-)

      - Jeff Vogel

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    2. Ya, making non-game stuff is really delightfully easy on Android, from the small amount of experimentation I've done.

      But then you have a game where you have a zillion art files that all need to be scaled or have several different versions in different resolutions. Yikes!

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  4. I'm also an Android developer and I think that PC is not fragmented quite the same way as Android is.

    Naturally, more unique PC configurations exists than on Android. However, Android as an OS has more control on your app than Windows has. This means your app is more independant on Windows than it is on Android.

    Also, PCs are often either laptop or desktop and these two are pretty similar for the purpose of gaming. Resolutions have also already been set to support few common standards. On android however, there are resolutions ranging from 320x240 to 1280x800 and aspect rations from 1.44 to 1.80.

    When it comes to selling your game online, PC might have some problems. Steam is a great place to be. If you can get in. Steam is biased for more niche or more core gaming, while majority of mobile games are casual. If steam is not an option, then fragmentation is met.

    But for one thing android is great. It's an opportunity to gain fans and fame.

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  5. Is part of the problem the variety of CPUs used on Android devices, or perhaps the memory management. A lot of these devices have 512Mb memory, but a lot of processes switched on at start-up.

    Google Play is very much my second choice for buying apps compared to iTunes. For one thing, if I buy an app on iTunes it's almost guaranteed to work when I upgrade my iOS device. No guarantee of that on Google Play.

    Google Play is also still perceived as more of a free for all (Bouncer aside) to the extent that you might be prepared to download an ad-supported game, but less willing to pay for anything. To me it feels like an ad-hoc thing, still. Whereas iTunes is an edifice.

    Personally I don't even like having my payment details associated with my Android account because the market isn't password protected. ie on iTunes there are several layers of password protection, including in-app purchases, that you don't have on an Android device. Google locks down the Android device to your account, but if you don't password protect your phone or tablet, or if you just set it down and turn your back on it for a moment there's nothing between the active device and a purchase freeforall. Which is nuts - you can't even let your kids play with your tablet unless you remove the payment details first.

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    1. (OK. I Googled just in case. Turns out PIN protection for Google Play came out months ago - but that shows just how much I use it.)

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  6. Does this mean there's little chance for more Linux versions of your games, Jeff? I'm enjoying playing Avadon in Ubuntu... but it's only possible because of the Android port, right? (Sorry, but I just don't know the specifics regarding the differences between the systems ;))

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  7. I posted the same thing over on the PA Report, but I'll duplicate it here because it's topical.

    While I don't necessarily agree with the problems of *developing* for Android (as others have said, things like multi-res images and scaling take care of much of the pain of developing for all kinds of screens), I absolutely agree with the problems of actually making money with Android. Part of that has to do with the nature of Google Play - publish an app for iOS and it'll appear on a "what's new" page; publish it for Google Play and it's just thrown into the big bucket along with everything else.

    There have been a few reports about game profitability on iOS and Android, especially with freemium games, and they don't show a huge distinction between the two platforms. From what I'm seeing, most freemium games see about 2-4% of their players buy something, with the average purchase about $14.

    I'm in the process of releasing a freemium game (Ghost SEED, a location-based MMO) for Android. I haven't been doing a lot of publicity or trying to attract more than about 100 active players. Ignoring the fact that my player base is statistically small, I am seeing in-app purchases at about the average rate. So I don't necessarily think that Android users are less likely to buy things in-game. I do think that it's just harder to get users for Android.

    Which, unfortunately, is what it's all about.

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  8. Hello,

    Mr. Jeff Vogel, i would just like to say that avadon on Android was the first game of yours i played. I love it and bought it on Google play a couple days ago. I have a 7" htc evo view and it runs great on gingerbread.

    Reading this made me sad since it looks like there won't be anymore spiderweb games on Android. If you reconsider, do know that you made me into a loyal customer from your first Android foray. After i finish avadon i will definitely pick up some of your other games.

    Personally, i think Android tablets are still very much in their infancy and things may get better.

    Good luck and thanks for a great game. I hope we get more ports to Android; i think the tablet interface is ideal for crpgs and my 7" tablet ensures i always have it with me, i even game on it at home.

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  9. I really enjoyed these comments. Thank you, Android devs, for your feedback. And thank you, Kevin Wells, for trying to be a helpful presence on my blog despite my snarkiness. :-)

    - Jeff Vogel

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  11. I have to agree with Jeff. Having developed for Android, iOS, Mac, and PC (with a shared code base between the four), life is just too short to try developing a native-code game for Android in its current state.

    PC may have more potential hardware combinations, but the APIs are more stable, widely available (there's some pretty basic stuff missing from Android 2.x, which many devices still run), and in general less of a bug minefield.

    Under Android, you get to deal with things that no other OS would dare dump on its developers:

    1. Accessing the camera works on some devices, crashes others and requires removing the battery to reset the device.
    2. OpenGL contexts and data are not maintained between app context switches (varies from minor annoyance and performance hit, to major problem, depending on your engine architecture or lack thereof). Try using more advanced OpenGL and you will run into bugs and feature disparity between the different implementations (NV, ARM, PowerVR, Qualcomm - this is also true for PC, I admit, though less of a problem as you at least have common compressed texture formats).
    3. Terrible debugging tools and long deployment cycle for pushing binaries to device. Console GDB that barely works half the time? Might as well just use printf and save yourself the time.
    4. Many devices cannot be debugged or used for development. (Samsung in particular. Shouldn't have to root and modify a device just to debug it.) This leads to wonderful situations where you have a device-specific crash that can't be debugged, because you can't develop with that device.
    5. Audio, camera, GPS, accelerometer, networking, parts of file I/O, store transactions, etc. require a jarring transition to Java and back (ObjC at least makes this painless and doesn't break debugging). It's getting better in newer OS releases, but 2.x is still a very, very big segment.

    You have to own every Android device you intend your game to work on, so you can test on it and find the device-specific bugs that *will* exist and need workarounds. There are a lot of devices out there.

    Google's approach is very hands-off: Android is open-source and it's up to the device manufacturers and community to advance the APIs, reliability, and development tools.

    All this, before you even get a chance to release your game to several fragmented and poorly implemented markets where it will, at best, do 5-10% of your iOS sales.

    Nothing against Android - I really do wish it were in a better state than it is, because consumers will buy Android devices regardless of how difficult it is to develop for.

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  16. Just a comment Jeff...in fairness you haven't done a great job of advertising the fact that your game is even available on Android. I have an Ipad, Android tablet and PC and only knew about it via your announcement of the humble bundle.

    Anyone visiting your website from any online interview or article wouldn't even know you have an Android option as your games page only shows PC/Mac/Ipad...maybe you should include a link directly to Google Play/Amazon?

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    Cbm xuất hiện rất nhiều trong lĩnh vực vận chuyển hàng hóa hay xuất nhập khẩu hàng hoá. Cbm sẽ được các công ty vận tải chuyên giao nhận hàng hóa sử dụng để tính khối lượng các mặt hàng, giúp người vận chuyển có thể đo lường sắp xếp vị trí hàng hóa trong container, trong khoang máy bay sao cho tốn ít không gian nhất, chở được nhiều hàng hóa nhất và rút ngắn thời gian vận chuyển. Cuối cùng để tính cước phí vận chuyển phù hợp với khối lượng hàng đã được bàn giao.

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  137. Hồ sơ xin việc là tập hợp các loại giấy tờ liên quan đến người có nhu cầu tìm việc. Do vậy việc hiểu rõ cách viết hồ sơ xin việc bằng tay ấn tượng để chiểm trọn niềm tin của nhà tuyển dụng.

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  138. Bạn đang muốn xin việc kế toán nhưng không biết nên dùng mẫu tải mẫu đơn xin việc kế toán nào cho phù hợp, vậy hãy tham khảo các mẫu trong bài viết này nhé!

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  139. Hiện nay, tìm việc làm kế toán là nghề có nhu cầu lao động rất lớn trong mọi lĩnh vực kinh tế. Theo cách hiểu đơn giản nhất, tài chính là một môn học liên quan đến tiền. Tiền là công cụ giúp cho việc tích trữ tài sản và trao đổi hàng hóa trở nên thuận tiện và nhanh chóng hơn. Đi đôi với sự phát triển của xã hội, vai trò của đồng tiền ngày càng quan trọng kéo theo đó khái niệm “tài chính” đã ra đời. Cụ thể, tài chính là lĩnh vực liên quan đến việc điều phối và quản lý dòng tiền, vốn và tài sản, ngân hàng và các khoản đầu tư.

    Bên cạnh đó, người tìm việc cũng có thể tham khảo thêm nhiều kiến thức bổ ích khi hướng dẫn cách tạo cv xin việc trước khi tìm kiếm việc làm.

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  140. Son lì là gì: Đối với những cô nàng trên 20 tuổi thường sẽ có xu hướng nghiêng về các loại son lì để có một bờ môi gợi cảm, quyến rũ. Đây là một loại son bán chạy nhất thị trường son môi hiện nay, chúng là tên gọi để chỉ những dòng son màu sắc đậm, hầu như không phụ thuộc vào sắc tố trên môi, chỉ cần đánh sẽ lên chuẩn màu mong đợi.
    Ngoài ra, bạn còn có thể tham khảo thêm nhiều cẩm nang làm đẹp hay như: son kem là gì, mặt nạ ngủ là gì, toner là gì...

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  141. Với những người đang có nhu cầu phỏng vấn tuyển dụng, việc tổng hợp các câu hỏi phỏng vấn thường gặp và chuẩn bị các câu trả lời phỏng vấn là những chuẩn bị cực kỳ hữu ích trước khi đi xin việc.

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  142. tìm việc làm kế toán hay bất cứ ngành nghề nào cũng không phải chuyện dễ dàng nhưng bạn đừng vì thế mà lo lắng. Điều quan trọng hơn hết là học hỏi, trau dồi kinh nghiệm cũng như những yêu cầu cơ bản khác đối với nghề kế toán. Điều đó sẽ giúp bạn tự tin hơn khi đi phỏng vấn.

    Bên cạnh đó, bạn có thể tìm hiểu thêm về các cách làm cv sao cho đơn giản nhưng vẫn thật chuyên nghiệp. Điều này sẽ giúp bạn dễ dàng ghi dấu ấn với nhà tuyển dụng ngay từ đầu.

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  143. Hiện nay, tại Việt Nam đã có đến hơn 100 công ty cung cấp các dịch vụ tài chính - kiểm toán - kế toán ở trong nước lẫn quốc tế. Theo dự đoán, con số này sẽ không ngừng tăng cao. Trong bối cảnh kinh tế toàn cầu hoá, nhu cầu về các dịch vụ về tài chính, kiểm toán, kế toán cũng ngày càng phát triển. Đồng thời, điều này càng đòi hỏi tuyển dụng kế toán có kinh nghiệm và tay nghề chất lượng cao cũng như sự hiểu biết về ngành.

    Kèm theo đó, các ứng viên khi tìm việc cần chú ý nắm bắt thêm về tạo hồ sơ xin việc để hồ sơ của mình nổi bật hơn hẳn so với các ứng viên khác. Có như vậy thì bạn mới mong có cơ hội được nhận vào làm việc.

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  144. Webtintuc là trang thông tin tổng hợp, cung cấp tất cả các tin tức về mọi lĩnh vực trong cuộc sống. Là nơi cập nhật thông tin nhanh và hot nhất về các chủ đề: giải trí, xã hội, ngôi sao, tử vi, mẹo làm đẹp, thể thao... trong và ngoài nước... Nơi đây tổng hợp những kinh nghiệm làm đẹp từ người nổi tiếng như bí quyết chăm sóc da, phương pháp trị mụn, các mẹo tăng cân, giảm cân.. hay các thông tin xu hướng về thời trang, ăn mặc sẽ được cập nhật liên tục.

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  145. Để được xem xét cho 1 vị trí công việc như it support manager hay xem các kiến thức về it, bạn cần tạo CV xin việc gửi cho nhà tuyển dụng. Hãy xem ngay tổng hợp 1000+ cover letter ấn tượng, thiết kế chuẩn theo ngành nghề cho sinh viên, người đi làm, ... có thể giúp bạn trở nên nổi bật hơn so với đám đông, tạo điểm nhấn đối với nhà tuyển dụng.

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  146. Microsoft Excel là một trong những phần mềm văn phòng được sử dụng rộng rãi nhất vì tính năng tập bảng tính đa dạng, linh hoạt, phù hợp với rất nhiều mục đích sử dụng khác nhau. Với nhiều chức năng được tích hợp trong Excel, người dùng nên biết các thủ thuật Excel cơ bản để có thể thao tác trên Excel nhanh và hiệu quả hơn như: cách cố định dòng trong excel, cách gộp cột trong excel hay nắm được các hàm excel cơ bản sẽ giúp ích rất nhiều cho công việc của bạn.

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  147. Câu hỏi là gì? Đó là dạng câu nghi vấn dùng mà chúng ta vẫn dùng để thắc mắc về những điều bản thân chưa biết.

    Còn Câu hỏi phỏng vấn là các câu nghi vấn mà nhà tuyển dụng (NTD) đưa ra cho các ứng viên để kiểm tra trình độ, năng lực của họ.

    >>> Cập nhật ngay những mẫu thư xin việc ấn tượng cùng cách trả lời ghi điểm dành các câu hỏi phỏng vấn của NTD để thành công trong tất cả các buổi phỏng vấn!

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  148. Khác với cách trade marketing tìm phương pháp thuyết phục người tiêu dùng thông qua việc dùng sản phẩm đáp ứng và thỏa mãn nhu cầu của họ, nhân viên brand marketing sẽ gieo vào đầu khách hàng các thông tin về thương hiệu để củng cố thế mạnh của đơn vị, có tác dụng lôi kéo các khách hàng mới đến với sản phẩm.Vì vậy tuyển dụng việc làm marketing sẽ khác.

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  149. Trang web tin moi ĐỘC - LẠ đó đây, cập nhật thông tin đọc báo mới HOT nhất về các chủ đề: khám phá, khoa hoc, công nghệ, tin the thao... ở trong và ngoài nước.

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  150. Theo cách hiểu đơn giản, kế toán đóng vai trò không thể thiếu trong bất cứ một doanh nghiệp hay công ty nào đi chăng nữa. Đặc biệt là trong kinh doanh, sản xuất thì sẽ khó tránh khỏi những hoạt động phát sinh. Chính từ đây, vai trò của kế toán chính là tổng hợp lại các dữ liệu một cách chính xác nhất. Do đó mà các ứng viên có mục đích nắm bắt rõ nên nắm bắt rõ nhu cầu tuyển nhân viên kế toán trước khi bước vào phỏng vấn xin việc.

    Bên cạnh đó, người tìm việc cũng có thể tham khảo thêm nhiều kiến thức bổ ích khi mẫu cv xin việc làm trước khi tìm kiếm việc làm. Đây chắc chắn sẽ là hành trang cần thiết giúp bạn tự tin hơn.

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  151. Cover letter là gì? Cover letter hay còn gọi là Motivation letter, được hiểu là thư xin việc/thư ứng tuyển, là thư bạn gửi đến nhà tuyển dụng để giới thiệu bản thân một cách sơ bộ nhất. Không chỉ là một lá thư đơn thuần, Cover letter sẽ được gửi kèm với CV. Nếu như CV trình bày đầy đủ tất cả quá trình học tập, làm việc trước đây của bạn thì Cover letter là nơi để làm nổi bật lên các điểm mạnh bản thân liên quan tới các công việc; đồng thời thể hiện niềm đam mê và nguyện vọng được cống hiến cho công ty.

    Chất lượng của Cover letter là yếu tố khiến nhà tuyển dụng cân nhắc có nên tiếp tục xem hồ sơ xin việc của bạn hay không. Từ đó, sẽ giúp nhà tuyển dụng xác định và tìm ra những ứng viên phù hợp với vị trí mà họ đang cần để phỏng vấn.

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  152. Nấu ăn 7 là nơi giao lưu và chia sẻ công thức nấu ăn ngon mỗi ngày, dễ làm tại nhà. Công thức nấu ăn và cách làm bánh, thức uống bỗ dưỡng mới liên tục...

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  153. Những nhà nhân sự luôn là những người có rất nhiều kinh nghiệm trong việc chọn lựa và tuyển dụng các ứng viên. Với rất nhiều lần tuyển dụng họ đều rút ra được những vấn đề mà các ứng viên còn tồn đọng. Vậy những kiểu ứng viên tìm việc làm tại nhà nào thường hay gặp nhất khi mỗi đợt tuyển dụng bắt đầu.
    Kiểu ứng viên thứ nhất: Biết mình ở vị trí nào.
    Chỉ bằng một câu hỏi: "Vì sao bạn muốn làm việc tại công ty tôi?", những ứng viên thuộc kiểu này sẽ có những câu trả lời khiến nhà tuyển dụng vô cùng hài lòng. Khác với những câu trả lời thông thường hay gặp như: tìm kiếm thông tin qua mạng hay được người quen giới thiệu. Những ứng viên này sẽ dựa trên những thành tích mà công ty đã đạt được để thể hiện mong muốn được làm việc tại một nơi lý tưởng giúp họ phát huy hết khả năng của mình.
    Kiểu ứng viên thứ hai: tự ti
    Với những người đã có nhiều năm kinh nghiệm trong việc tuyển dụng họ sẽ rất dễ có thể biết được kiểu ứng viên thứ 2 này chỉ thông qua những hành động, cử chỉ. Theo chia sẻ có những ứng viên đến từ thuộc kiểu thứ 2 sẽ thường bị mất bình tĩnh, luống cuống khi gặp nhà tuyển dụng. Trước những câu hỏi nhà tuyển dụng đưa ra những người này thường sẽ ngập ngừng, trả lời không đúng trọng tâm và thường không dám nhìn trực diện người phỏng vấn.
    Có thể trong những ứng viên này có những người có năng lực, có kiến thức, nhưng chính sự tự ti khiến họ không thể hiện được bản thân mình trước nhà tuyển dụng. Chính sự tự ti ấy đã tạo thành vật cản khiến họ khó thành công trong việc ứng tuyển việc làm tại cần thơ.
    Kiểu ứng viên thứ ba: Tự kiêu, thiếu khiêm tốn
    Những người thuộc kiểu ứng viên thứ ba này sẽ luôn gặp thất bại khi đi ứng tuyển. Tự tin là điều rất cần thiết nhưng tự tin quá dẫn đến tự kiêu luôn cho mình là giởi nhất chính là vật cản khiến họ không được trọng dụng. Thậm chí những người thuộc kiểu người này sẽ không biết tìm hiểu trước về công ty, cho rằng bản thân họ giỏi nên sẽ chắc chắn được nhận.
    Mọi thứ cứ bàn chùn như thế cho tới khi đàm phán lương, khí thế tự tin lại lên cao không điểm dừng. Họ sẵn sàng nói: thấp nhất là ... với giọng điệu vô cùng hách dịch. Dường như với những gì đã kể ra trong tải mẫu cv xin việc thì họ xứng đáng nhận được mức lương thấp nhất cũng phải "dày" hơn người khác thì phải.

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