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Someone in the industry actually agrees with me!<br /><br />The day media producers start viewing piracy as true and valid competition, is the day they'll start winning the war.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12426607280338420659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-42657553259510141602009-04-21T15:31:00.000-07:002009-04-21T15:31:00.000-07:00@Vlad: I also don't believe that artists who share...@Vlad: I also don't believe that artists who share their work for free have any sort of moral higher ground than those who sell it. Attention is a form of currency, after all.<br /><br />Games take a lot of time to make and it's not practical to make certain kinds of games when holding down a full-time job at the same time. We probably wouldn't have had the Sistine Chapel painting if Michelangelo hadn't been given 20 months and 3000 ducats to do it. But we don't sit back and think, "how great would his work have been if he'd not been paid to do it".<br /><br />I don't think any games are approaching that sort of cultural significance yet, but when they do, I expect it will be as a result of someone being paid to make something beautiful, not someone who's had to fit it in their evenings and weekends.<br /><br />I'm not a fan of IP to be honest. I just think that culture is worth something. And therefore, we have to find ways to fairly reward those who gift us with such things, and avoid implying that if they expect or require any compensation then they're not a 'true' artist.Ben Sizerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16973645498493273495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-20378850387859272662009-04-21T03:24:00.000-07:002009-04-21T03:24:00.000-07:00This isn't very good evidence. I'd imagine if you ...This isn't very good evidence. I'd imagine if you could somehow get piracy-to-sales ratios on games sold that most of the games out there started out with huge numbers of pirates but later evened out a bit.<br /><br />As an example, a while back you mentioned sales of Geneforge 4. Why 4? You mentioned it was average. Thing was, how could you tell if it was average if it wasn't around for a while? If you had picked a one week old game and said it was average for your sales, how likely would anyone have taken that seriously towards the article?<br /><br />Anyways, continuously discussing piracy is a bit pointless. People will pirate. Get used to it. Not a single thing you can do. Piracy sites like Pirate Bay will be taken down but others will take their place.Frobozzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16156112835763432090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-51391641296833338152009-04-20T13:54:00.000-07:002009-04-20T13:54:00.000-07:00@Ben, deworde: I'm pretty sure I didn't say all ar...@Ben, deworde: I'm pretty sure I didn't say all art should be free. And there's nothing wrong with wanting (and hopefully getting) financially rewarded. All I'm saying is that there are some people who are purely artists, people who are purely business-people, and people who can do both. I wouldn't get pissy if someone stole my IP, because my art is all freely available on youtube.<br /><br />I'm not a pirate, Relax! All I'm saying is I couldn't express my creativity if I had to consider how to make it more profitable (as opposed to better/more enjoyable.) If you guys can find a balance there, then awesome for you. But I have a day job to support me, I would have to be a pretty lazy artist to eat at a soup kitchen.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18162076031234326575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-52818672007088744472009-04-20T08:30:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:30:00.000-07:00@sn
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And if you actually spent the time looking into it, as in actually talking to real live developers who release games, you'll find most of them have the same story, this is not isolated incidents.<br /><br />In summary, there is no "we'll see" how piracy affects the indie game industry, it already has, and anyone who hasn't seen this hasn't been looking.ZomgPirateCatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385359685054077786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-86838070676960596072009-04-20T07:51:00.000-07:002009-04-20T07:51:00.000-07:00Ah yes, and the lame ass excuses from the pirates ...Ah yes, and the lame ass excuses from the pirates start rolling in. Of course the actual reason is "they steal it because they can." What's sad is that most of them would have a hissy fit if someone were to steal something from them.WDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12713404935806064749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-51460641668290478442009-04-20T04:17:00.000-07:002009-04-20T04:17:00.000-07:00"I'm not a pirate and I don't advocate them. It's ..."I'm not a pirate and I don't advocate them. It's just that I don't think the piracy causes any significant damage to the Indy game "industry". We'll see."<br />Well, a pretty good argument is that the other massive benefits of the Internet for Indie developers (in terms of ease/reduced cost of distribution, improved word of mouth, everything else involved) offset the damage done by the inevitable increase of piracy.<br />But that's like saying that the other benefits of cars make "hit and run"s okay.dewordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325253871833169028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338724676892513065.post-4052169246785971932009-04-20T04:06:00.000-07:002009-04-20T04:06:00.000-07:00"I hate the whole concept of combining artistic pa..."I hate the whole concept of combining artistic passion and business. If you're an artist then you should be ecstatic that 100,000 people are 'stealing' your art."<br /><br />That is the concept dreamed up by the kind of people who have no sense of responsibility. "Hey man, I should be given stuff and allowed to do nothing. 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